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Bea
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PostSubject: The Glory Days   Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:25 am

With every update comes a greater consequence.
Jagex are losing their faithful players at an astonishing rate. Why?

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?74,75,goto,1

More and more people are recognising the flaws and the corruption within the community.
With the way things are going, this game will -never- reach perfection, and the corruption will continue. I mean, what new player wants to play for years at a time to achieve what everyone else around them already has?
Viewing Lumbridge today shows just how many new people enter the game with high expectations, only to be greeted by corruption and hate because you have no knowledge on how to play. This is a result of peoples greed in life, and ingame, just to be recognised by those around them, no matter what the cost.
Of recent, this has been proven to be the case from some youtubers greed to be noticed from others pity for their own personal gain. Also ingame from those to have gained such and such levels in such a short period of time just to be recognised as a "great" player.
I will not be giving out any names, or any links of proof as these people have already been reported and the youtubers are still causing havoc in the community, and with apparent keyloggers on these peoples videos, I don't want to be named responsible for guiding you to it.

However, this corruption is greeted warmly to the experienced players. Simply because it keeps prices down and fills in the market which actually, noone legitimate wants to do. Would you spend your time gathering resources to gain 99 runecrafting? Would you grind 6+ hours of your day to get a level/item as quickly as possible? Most people cannot do that.

I see no way of this coming to a halt.

These are The Glory Days. They will never return.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020705071427/http://www.runescape.org/runescape.html
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siniwelho
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:08 am

Bea wrote:
Jagex are losing their faithful players at an astonishing rate. Why?
I don't think long time players are leaving RS "at an astonishing
rate". However they do slowly leave.

Bea wrote:
what new player wants to play for years at a time to achieve
what everyone else around them already has?
I believe that this is the real issue. The "5 vs 5" tournament is
a good example. If it had been held in 2006 or 2007 Jagex
would have gotten 2000+ teams. Now they may get 100 teams.
Back then mainly combat skills had "high level content". Then
came summoning, herblore updates and prayer updates. The
amount of playing time you need in order to get into a good
Nex team is simply too high - without botting.

Of course Jagex knows this. They have to do something. But
if they make big changes then the people who have grinded
their way to high levels spending hundreds of hours might get
angry and quit - unless there is a community that keeps them
in game even if they feel cheated...

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Bea
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:51 pm

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Of course Jagex knows this. They have to do something. But
if they make big changes then the people who have grinded
their way to high levels spending hundreds of hours might get
angry and quit - unless there is a community that keeps them
in game even if they feel cheated...

Too late to not feel cheated.

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?74,75,331,62882255

Only way I see all this coming to a stop is if RuneScape completely restarts itself, instead of adding all of the "good" and "helpful" things ontop of all the corruption. However they still need good reason to restart (like the crossover from RSC to RS2). And because of this, I see no way of it coming to an end.
Also, private servers have become much more popular recently, simply because it puts everyone at the same level and you recognise those who have skill in what they can achieve if the played RuneScape more. But of corse they have been forced out of that community because they are a "noob" with their low stats and weak items because they don't have the time to gain them!
If Jagex were to create something that would put everyone at the same level, it may get rid of private servers and create a new and fun aspect of the game, without the hassle of taking the time out of your life to get requirements! This however may be controversial in the way that it may revert peoples gaze from the main game and show just how USELESS and POINTLESS it is to waste your time to get something that really, doesn't make much difference. (I noticed this with virtus against ahrims)

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I don't think long time players are leaving RS "at an astonishing
rate". However they do slowly leave.

Those people who say they are leaving only return because of new content added to the game which with their addictive past they "have" to complete. One prime example is Zezima. The amount of people who have fallen into this "Jagtrap" is pheonominal. These people soon realise that actually, nothing has changed, just maybe a faster way of doing something that was already in place.
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:43 am

They don't put much effort into Runescape anymore, and it's obvious.

They have already attempted to develop plenty of new games.

But they wont be shutting down Runescape. Take an estimate of the number of member accounts on RS there are, 100% more than before free trade.

More players in general means the more they can charge for advertisements on their website.

There's nothing more they can do - And there's nothing more they will do.

It's all about the money, not the content anymore.

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Bea
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:35 pm

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It's all about the money, not the content anymore.

This thread posted on the RSOF may be of great interest to you.

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?74,75,511,62975017

Quote :
Runescape and it's board of directors include:

-MMG
-Spectrum Equity Investors
-The Raine Group
-Insight Venture Partners

To find out more:

-Go to Jagex's official website (*** Jagex ***)
-Scroll down to the bottom of the page
-Click "Corporate Site"
-Click "Press"
-Scroll down until you see "Jagex Limited receives growth"

*You can also do CTRL + F to search for it faster.
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Fireheart
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:15 pm

Thanks Known - I took a look at it, and actually read it, the last thing I read on RSOF, was Peng's Barb assault guide.
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Bea
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:31 am

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?74,75,850,62987628

Some very important points and feedback along with quotations from other players. This is probably the most complete and accurate way of how the much older community now feels towards this game that I have found on the RSOF.

This person is doing the same as me and looking elsewhere for entertainment like most others who have replied and supported this thread.
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Bea
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:25 am

Yet more good reasons on why RuneScape is going downhill -

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?74,75,162,62905811,goto,1

Unfortunately you can see for yourself the way that the RuneScape community is going with the amount of hidden messages that are within this thread and the amount of childish remarks.


I was also directed to a glitching video which shows the amount of people getting away with "easy xp" and I was shocked at the figures. Also viewing some of the comments just goes to show the ways in which some people want to play (a "give-me-everything-I-want" attitude) and those who wish they could. Ontop of all these comments includes advertisement to "achieve" such things which were shown in the video using illegal methods. What shocked me most of all was within the title...(RS Gameplay/Tutorial).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKPPev7dDAA
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Bea
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:19 am

Just what does a new player arrive to?



Within seconds of logging in I recieve private messages directing me to all sorts of websites (gold sellers, webcam pornography, beta/alpha fraud, congratulations you have won, the list goes on).

A common sight and very relevant to what I'm putting across -



I bet I could even count the number of legitimate players on that world with my fingers...

Unfortunatly all this is the norm on every F2P world and P2P worlds are no better.

Phyzin wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH_WavFJ8Rw&feature=related

I have a list of over 10,000 individual names which I need to report from that place. I've just given up.
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:33 am

A few stats. True or false you decide. Take note this person has taken insight into just one specific bot script at a time, bearing in mind that there are hundreds of other bots which do the same thing:

Quote :
The situation is really out of control at this point, and Jagex knows it.

For a little insight into how bad it is:


--={Information taken from bot signatures.}=--

Runecrafter: Exp gained from all users regardless if they wanted it tracked or not: 77 Billion

Amount of 99s from that exp pool: 5923

Amount of people who currently have 99 Rc: ~11100

Amount of gold brought into the game from this bot: 1.6 Trillion

Amount of money gained for each 99: ~230M or ~135M using 11100.


*************************************************

Slayer: Exp gained from all users regardless if they wanted it tracked or not: 22 Billion

Amount of 99s: 1629

Amount of people who currently have 99 Slayer: ~19000

Amount of money brought into the game from this bot: 35 Billion

Amount of money gained per each 99: 21M


---------------------

For all those who think LRC isn't filled to the brim with bots.
Last but not least:

Mining: Exp gained 142.7 Billion

Amount of 99s: ~11300

Amount of people who currently have 99 Mining: ~23200

Amount of money brought into the game from this bot: 1 Trillion

Amount of money gained per each 99: 88.4M


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Mod Marks words in December within a clan chat. The comments for this video aren't too pleasing...

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Bea
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:43 pm



Quote :
Made this video in regards to MMG and Andrew's announcement that RuneScape has been nominated for a golden joystick award (Best Free MMO).

What good deal are they talking about? F2P is unplayable due to the rampant bot epidemic and ad-bot spam. I'm not F2P but I have a lot of friends who are and I can completely sympathize with how disappointed they are with Jagex. Especially the way they as a company have treated F2Pers.

I won't be voting for Jagex this year (voted for LoL) simply because they don't deserve it. I'm going to put my foot down and hope that by loosing the award, they realize that a lot of players are actually unhappy and perhaps start to try and append these problems.

I'm not going to tell you what to vote (unlike Jagex who is asking you to vote for them), but please understand what your vote means.

There are a lot of issues between Jagex and its player base and I really worry that MMG and Andrew don't understand how problematic it really is. I fear if they win this award it will just feed their egos and that's the last thing I want to see happening.

When Jagex starts treating their players with the respect they deserve and treat us like actual players (instead of stats on some chart) I will gladly vote for them. Unfortunately they aren't doing either at this moment and that is why I have voted for some other (more deserving) game.

RuneScape is a great game. It's just disappointing to see it falling to pieces due to the ever growing bot epidemic and marketing ploys. Sad

UPDATE:

Hey guys,

Just wanted to thank you all for the overwhelming amount of support you have given to me. I also want to clear the air and say that I was demodded for basically discouraging people not to vote for RuneScape for the Golden Joystick awards with this video (I would argue otherwise but the decision is final). I stood up for the community because I was honestly disgusted that they expect to win this award after how badly F2P has been treated. I have no regrets and I'd do it all over again if I could. While I might have lost two crowns, I gained something back I lost a long time ago - my voice. It's worth more than 2 measly crowns that have lost their meaning due to some changes within Jagex.

On a final note I want to reiterate that this isn't about me or what I lost, it was and always will be about the players first and foremost - don't loose sight of that.

All the best,

Jibby
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Bea
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:50 am

Taken from a developement blog for 8realms:

Quote :
Culture Curve

From a design point of view, we have been tearing up large areas of internal maths to rebalance the game. Everything from individual unit stats to core Culture equations is being re-evaluated. Our goal is to make winning much more skill-driven, and less about dedicated play. We have a range of ideas, some which I can talk about (listed below), and others which work better as a black box and therefore can't be discussed.

The biggest change is that, at the moment, the game is built with a tear-away curve. Once you're in the lead, you tend to stay there, and it's easy to stay there. Well, we are trying to flip that so you have to fight hard for the #1 spot, but the fighting is skill-based. We want the average player who is logging in once a day for 5 minutes, and has a basic understanding of strategy, to be near the leader - not trailing Ages behind. While those top positions are to be hotly contested based on skill, this has always been our goal.

8Realms should be an approachable competitive game which you can play for a few minutes a day.
http://services.jagex.com/m=news/blog-developer-developments

Might RuneScape become "an approachable competitive game which you can play for a few minutes a day"?
I sure hope so!

A hint from Mod Mark about a future update:


Depending on just what this may be, there may still be a glimmer of hope left.
A huge disappointment which will destroy RuneScape for good?
Or a great revalation which will save RuneScape and bring back the joy of playing such a great game?
We'll soon see...
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:41 pm

siniwelho wrote:
Bea wrote:
what new player wants to play for years at a time to achieve
what everyone else around them already has?
I believe that this is the real issue.
...

But if they make big changes then the people who have grinded
their way to high levels spending hundreds of hours might get
angry and quit - unless there is a community that keeps them
in game even if they feel cheated...
I think this will be the next big step Jagex takes. Mod MMG posted
in one of the botting threads:

we are also looking at tackling some of the root causes for botting like grind

Unfortunately the original post is no longer on the RSOF, but there
are a few threads referring it. For example:

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?15,16,919,63309712


EDIT: Found it. Page 40 of thread:

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?15,16,447,63307160

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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:15 am

A great step forward it must be said but it still doesn't make me wanting to come back anytime soon. Reason? There are still those players who made profit through what we can now call "the era of bots". In fact we all have one way or another, I myself would have never thought of seeing myself being able to wield a prayer cape if it wasn't for bots.
Now that era is over (ignoring the 2%) players can see just how privileged they are with such items which without any help from bots would have been near impossible in the timeframe they would have spent getting it.
Also the games economy is enevitably going to take a turn for the worst. 1k per rune essence anyone? And with the amount of people merchanting I wouldn't be surprised if players were stocking up. New players can say bye bye to their hopes of getting a decent bank and stats. And as for them getting near the top of the highscores, I would probably be in my deathbed before anyone gets close.

Solution? Start RuneScape from scratch. That is if Jagex truely want this game to be "fairer" for everyone without the co-existance of a corrupt past. They are seemingly looking into such an occasion with MMG's post "tackling some of the root causes for botting like grind" simply because if they are to take away the majority of the grind, say reducing the required time to complete RuneScape so that it is plausable for everyone to gain completion, they wouldn't implement it into todays RuneScape as to make everyone else feel as though they have wasted their time. Truth be told, you already have. A perfect example is the switchover from Classic to RS2. The players efforts in Classic amounted to nil, and are now expecting closure. History can and will repeat itself.

May you all enjoy a bot free game, but other big issues are yet to be resolved.
Happy Halloween! Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:22 am

Bea wrote:

Solution? Start RuneScape from scratch.

I'd actually like that
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:16 am

honter wolf wrote:
Bea wrote:

Solution? Start RuneScape from scratch.

I'd actually like that
Meh than all my days spent on RuneScape wold go to waste.
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:27 pm

Firehawk825 wrote:
Meh than all my days spent on RuneScape would go to waste.
Huh? You didn't have fun playing?

But yes, there will be some changes in the future:

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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:42 am

In case you haven't already read:

Quote :
Mod Nexus: Was the XP curve in Classic the same as RS2?

Andrew: Yes, it was! The number of XP you need to gain a level
I'm actually quite pleased with. It was funny because that was an equation
that originally sat down and worked out that it should be relatively possible
to get to level 30; 40 was a bit of work; 50 if you're really playing; 60 and
70 were just insane and it went all the way to 99. And no one's ever going
to get to that, but I didn't want them running out. It wasn't supposed to be
possible, I didn't anticipate just how much people would play, though levelling
up is a bit easier these days. Go back and play RuneScape Classic and you'd
be stunned how hard it is to get 99.
http://services.runescape.com/m=devblog/view_post.ws?post_id=128

"No one's ever going to get to that"
"It wasn't supposed to be possible"


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Bea
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:49 am

honter wolf wrote:
Bea wrote:

Solution? Start RuneScape from scratch.

I'd actually like that

A post worth bumping Very Happy


http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?317,318,543,64241151

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icg8MIlvkNA
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PostSubject: Re: The Glory Days   Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:26 pm

See you there.

At the current rate, looks like there will be a total of around 350-400k votes or so. unless a bunch of people decide to pay on multiple accounts.
A resource race at the start will be fun Smile but id give it about 6months before it starts to die down quite a bit.
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