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Downed
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:06 am

Oh, I meant people using hacked credit cards to buy membership for goldfarming or botting and selling the account, heh Razz. But anyway, I guess they've found a way to counter that.
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Rietz
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:53 am

Downed wrote:
Tom, Jagex removed RWT (or most of it) last time, because the hacked credit cards used to buy membership would charge back or reclaim the money somehow; so it was a lose lose situation for Jagex. Wonder what has changed now...

I wasn't talking about Rwt Surprised

Was talking about people buying membership for their bot.
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Downed
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:47 am

Tom, Jagex removed RWT (or most of it) last time, because the hacked credit cards used to buy membership would charge back or reclaim the money somehow; so it was a lose lose situation for Jagex. Wonder what has changed now...
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siniwelho
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:16 am

Taiga Project wrote:
Bot clients hide the IP of the user from Jagex and this is a mandatory feature for all legit bots. So if someone wanted to, they can run multiple bots on the same IP at the same time with this feature, and that IP would be concealed and undetectable by Jagex.
Um,

well I know what you mean, but you could have said that
more precisely. Because hiding your IP = no connection.

Internet connections using TCP/IP protocol are made between
IP addesses. For example when I (my IP 83.245.189.91) log
into world 6 (IP 64.94.237.23) then an IP connection between
those addresses is created:

83.245.189.91 <---> 64.94.237.23

When I move or do something my computer sends IP packets
to the server and the server sends IP packets containing the
results back to my computer. If the server doesn't know where
to sends those packets then the system doesn't work.

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Rietz
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:44 am

Lots of people would love bots to be removed from the game, right? But without bots everything would cost so much, take Pure essence for example - If there were no bots to mine pure essence then it would rise to a huge degree. The same would be for items like red chins, nature runes, etc.

Just the sheer ammount of botters makes Jagex unthinkable ammounts of money, when they buy membership. If Jagex banned them they would lose that money - what business would want that?

As far as I'm concerned bots are needed for a stable economy within Runescape, and without them the game would be so much more difficult. Just because of this factor i am happy with bots running around the game.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:28 pm

Bot clients hide the IP of the user from Jagex and this is a mandatory feature for all legit bots. So if someone wanted to, they can run multiple bots on the same IP at the same time with this feature, and that IP would be concealed and undetectable by Jagex.
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0megga
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:25 am

Just yesterday I saw in a documentation that you can easily
(they even showed how) change your IP adress so you can
watch videos which are banned in your country. (happens often
on YouTube for eggsample) It's very easy and not even illegal
because there's no law commenting it.
It's considered as grey zone in the law system.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:05 am

u can easily break a IP ban, you can also redirect it, if u have a certain program x] And skill OFC X)
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siniwelho
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:58 pm

Phyzin wrote:
Why not ban and IP address block everyone who have gibberish usernames like "dmvjxkw"?
Because having a gibberish username is not against the rules.
And an IP ban will stop only very young children - not the people
who do credit card frauds.

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siniwelho
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:18 am

I saw this on the RSOF. The account that posted has total lvl 2168
so not a throwaway f2p account.

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?15,16,844,62989316



Many believed that this was THE reason why Jagex implemented
restricted trade. And now, 6 months after the return of free trade
we are there again. Maybe Jagex should really think of better ways
to fight bots.

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Quakeddoom
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:37 am

lol'd
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siniwelho
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:44 am

I don't like this "reset system" or actually I don't like their poor
implementation of it.

1) I don't like the mantra "100% certain" they are now chanting.
Only 2 months after the dungeoneering bans fiasko* and now
they are unerring again? I wish I had that much faith, but the
sad truth is that they will make mistakes. However the resets
are unappealable so there's no way to correct mistakes.

2) They should at least send a message to the people they reset.
I understand that Jagex needs to show that they are doing
something, but they should find a better way to do that
than forcing people to the RSOF after a reset.

3) They didn't think the results beforehand. Now we have many
"super-pures" and the owners are pretty happy.

4) It seems that this system is not very effective. I have no
troubles finding botted accounts from the hiscores. If I can
do that why Jagex can't? Maybe this is just for "we are
actively doing something".

5) You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out why this
whole system was built. To fight against botting? Nah, to improve
cash flow. I have been told that only members get re$ets - f2p
accounts are banned permanently (of course this is hard to verify).

* http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?14,15,64,61739851
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0megga
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:01 am



Very Happy

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Uh, didn't notice that. I'm not a pmod but I saw the pictures
on Tip.It forums and linked them here. As you can see they
are not on servimg.com where our normal pictures are.

But I would have done the same even if I had noticed that.

Sini
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siniwelho
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:41 pm

More info.


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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:03 pm

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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:32 am

das loupah wrote:
Didn't they stop with resetting? (With the pkers abusing it)
Nobody except Jagex and the possibly resetted players know
for sure. Posts about these will vanish soon from the RSOF.

"...you must not post about any account issues you may have
on the Forums. Your account and its current status is a private
matter between you and Jagex."

I believe that the major fan sites are forced to obey that rule
too. Besides being a justifiable rule it is also a very convenient
rule for Jagex. They can treat you as they wish and no-one will
ever know.
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das loupah
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:58 pm

Didn't they stop with resetting? (With the pkers abusing it)
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siniwelho
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:47 pm

From Tip.it forums:



This is old Jagex to you. They believe that the issue disappears
if they forbid discussing about it. Bugs - yeah. I wonder when
they will learn that the truth is always the easiest choice.

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Fireheart
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:42 am

When sini wrote about stat resets, that is correct. I infact know multiple people who botted ON PURPOSE!
Reason being, they botted def, Jagex reset some stats back to 1, others to level 10, and an extremely small number back to the original level.
Knowing that, my friends, all are pkers(those that botted). By potting on purpose, they reset all their defence levels back to 1/10, and were able to become the rich pures. This also allowed them to keep the quests that normaly would have been impossible at a 'pure status'. They now have chaotics/100m+ and basically have the most fun

The thing was, in the past, jagex used to issue 10 day bans for botters, not perm bans.
I'm not sure now about 10 day bans, or is it str8 to perm.
Although yes there is a big risk on purposely botting, it worked for every single one of my friends, and at one point was also being considered by me. However before i made my mind up, jagex removed the reseting punishment because they realized the flaw they had caused.

Now, the reason for reset, is to keep people motivated to continue playing RS, even if they reset a few stats, you can continue play immediately and attempt to get your stats back as they do not reset your bank.

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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:01 pm

summon is a little different and its not really a bot skill but idk who ur talking about redep
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:03 am

what about that guy who's 1st on sumon? 100m exp in 1 day and no reset plz Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:43 am

lol ^ smart mod..also i could be wrong but i think resets are if jagex thinks they botted but have no real reason (like if they got super fast xp in a short time)
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