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siniwelho
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:58 pm

Mod Mat K wrote about bots in mid-August:

The question you will now be asking is 'why aren't you telling us what you are doing?'
The reason why we are not being vocal about it is because at the moment we can't.
There are things going on which mean we have to be very quiet. This won't last
forever and when we can talk to you we will. Once we do I think every reasonable
person will turn round and say, "Ohhhhhh, that makes sense." We really want to tell
you everything, and when we can, we will.


(full post at http://baaddicts.forumotion.net/t808p15-refer-a-friend-programme)

Now they are telling that one of the sessions at Runefest (29th-30th Oct) will be:

Breaking Bots:

Bots are a much-discussed topic among many MMO players and, at RuneFest 2011,
we’ll talk about the bots in RuneScape, our thoughts on them and our plans for
combating them. The panel (including Jagex CEO Mark Gerhard) will then open
the floor to your questions and comments. If you’ve an opinion on bots (and let’s
face it, who doesn’t?) then this is a session that you really need to be a part of.


( http://services.runescape.com/m=news/runefest-2011---insider-sessions-revealed )

I think that the above session is about the last chance for Jagex to
announce a working anti-bot plan. If they only sing the same old
song "...we take bots very seriously and work hard..." then it will
be obvious that nothing will happen.

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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:39 am

Fireheart wrote:
RS Gold sellers have exploded so much that they can afford Facebook + Youtube advertisements.

I may consider posting the facts on RSOF but for now, you can know what I'v dug up:

The dice clan leader of dragon dyce "KO" has made over 250 THOUSAND dollars since free trade.

He charges over $3K+ irl for a rank now.

He has proven on a blackmarket community who he is, and that he's the owner of the clan etc. etc. and that he sells the gold.

He makes more money than 95% of those who work for Jagex.

People who are ranked in that clan, make a thousand dollars a week to 5 thousand dollars or more.

People who farm gold sell to players starting RS or those cleaned by staking/dicing.

RS has to remove free trade without warning otherwise they wont stand a chance.

I admit: - I have clicked those facebook + youtube links, (although I found out they are charged by the click, so sometimes I spam them Wink) - I would never buy gold, as I have plenty from pking etc. - I have also visited numerous black market sites because sometimes a simple google search of a skill guide/quest or a search on youtube will lead to a bot.

Like I said, there's a lot more to be said, it just takes a little proof, common sense, because believe me, famous youtubers/stakers don't get hacked with 100B+ in their inventory, and some research, and of course, someone with the balls to tell jagex that people who play runescape make more money than those who monitor it.



I agree RWT is getting so popular that some people decide to over-abuse it. And Jagex doesn't even ban them.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:37 am

Lance wrote:
Woah, lol.
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The dice clan leader of dragon dyce "KO" has made over 250 THOUSAND dollars since free trade.

That's quite scary Neutral.

Jagex must sort out bots, soon. Or else RWT will become way too popular on RS...


It's pretty sad, and the thing is, I have an MSN chat log proving he has made that much :S
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:33 am

Woah, lol.
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The dice clan leader of dragon dyce "KO" has made over 250 THOUSAND dollars since free trade.

That's quite scary Neutral.

Jagex must sort out bots, soon. Or else RWT will become way too popular on RS...

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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:59 am

RS Gold sellers have exploded so much that they can afford Facebook + Youtube advertisements.

I may consider posting the facts on RSOF but for now, you can know what I'v dug up:

The dice clan leader of dragon dyce "KO" has made over 250 THOUSAND dollars since free trade.

He charges over $3K+ irl for a rank now.

He has proven on a blackmarket community who he is, and that he's the owner of the clan etc. etc. and that he sells the gold.

He makes more money than 95% of those who work for Jagex.

People who are ranked in that clan, make a thousand dollars a week to 5 thousand dollars or more.

People who farm gold sell to players starting RS or those cleaned by staking/dicing.

RS has to remove free trade without warning otherwise they wont stand a chance.

I admit: - I have clicked those facebook + youtube links, (although I found out they are charged by the click, so sometimes I spam them Wink) - I would never buy gold, as I have plenty from pking etc. - I have also visited numerous black market sites because sometimes a simple google search of a skill guide/quest or a search on youtube will lead to a bot.

Like I said, there's a lot more to be said, it just takes a little proof, common sense, because believe me, famous youtubers/stakers don't get hacked with 100B+ in their inventory, and some research, and of course, someone with the balls to tell jagex that people who play runescape make more money than those who monitor it.



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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:49 am

Wilky wrote:
Bots nowadays aren't so much about 'getting an advantage' over other players, more about making money irl.
Yes,

I believe so too. I think that there are maybe hundreds of people
who make living by botting RS - and other games.

But why it is that when we talk about botting we always talk about
botters, botting programs and other things but we never talk
about those who make the whole system run: those players
who buy RS gold? The situation is almost the same as with drugs.
As long as there are people willing to pay the supplier will find
a way to get and deliver the goods.

RS gold is useless to the professional botters if they cannot sell
it. In order to explain the amount of bots we must assume that
some players are buying huge amounts of RS gold. I don't
know anyone who has bought RS gold (but I know people who
have sold it). So who is buying all those billions that the 50k
bot army produces?

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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:17 pm

In terms of the economy, banning at least some of the bots to make it possible to train legitly wont cause massive price rises. And when it comes to things like avis/green dragons... there are plenty of people who would farm them for cash again if the bots were removed. While some botting does stabilise the economy, the mass bots we have ruins prices and prevents legit players from training/cash farming in many areas, especially f2p.

Bot killing guide ftw, gonna try it out.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:48 am

siniwelho wrote:


If they just reset the botted accounts then they don't need
to worry about claims of not honouring their terms of contract
(ie. providing a months play)

If Jagex were '100% certain' that someone was botting, they can quite happily terminate accounts.
"Our rights
If, acting reasonably, we consider that our Terms and Conditions have or may have been breached, or that there has been fraudulent, unlawful or abusive activity, or that it is necessary in order to prevent or stop any harm or damage to us, to any Jagex Product, to other players or the general public, we may Stop (as defined above) any or all accounts of Jagex Products which we think are connected with the offender subject to such right of appeal as is specified on our website and/or restrict access to or delete virtual currency or anything acquired by means of virtual currency. Such actions may result in loss of membership credit and/or loss of real money paid as part of any item / account trading or other prohibited transaction."
Taken from their T/C
(However, banning member bots loses them money on the whole...)

Perhaps the worst thing about bots is that bans/resets have little effect on them. I'd say that the majority of bots are run as part of a bot farm for real world trading. Bot farm owners just need to make a small investment (buying membership, hiring a server to run bots from) and then they can make a decent amount of real life money from the game :l
Bots nowadays aren't so much about 'getting an advantage' over other players, more about making money irl.

It seems to me that the simplest solution to all of this would be for Jagex to take the fight to the makers of botting programmes. There aren't enough of us in-game who actively report/break bots to have any impact.
But I suppose that without bots, Jagex loses a lot of money from membership subscriptions...

Aaanyway, sorry for writing so much Razz
Interesting read for those interested in breaking bots...
http://forums.zybez.net/topic/1496415-rogies-epic-bot-killing-guide/
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:34 am

Hmmm. Am i a bot? I tick the boxes for most of those things. O_O
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:05 am

Downed wrote:
That person is really silly/stupid Mad

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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:01 am

That person is really silly/stupid Mad
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:22 am

Rofl is he describing bots or us? O.O
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:30 pm

Hmm - if you go to the cannon when you are finished you are a bot?



http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?74,75,588,63183065
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:28 am

Rietz wrote:

I wonder what percentage of that bulk of people are bots. Razz
Probably at least 90% of them.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:47 pm


I wonder what percentage of that bulk of people are bots. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:18 pm

siniwelho wrote:
Fireheart wrote:
Sini - Who's PVM Jeffli?
No clue. I saw that picture of frost drangon lair at Tip.It
and thought that the pic will fit well into this thread.

I went to Frost dragons today with a friend of mine. 102 people reported on only 6 worlds. Not to mention, for some reason, every time he spokte alllllll the bots teled (we tested this 5 times after we reported them).

I did nothing but try and break bots. He had to report them, because well Mods got more power, my report obviously means less.

So we only did 6 worlds (he's a lazy mod). Not bad for an hr though?

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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:05 am

Fireheart wrote:
Sini - Who's PVM Jeffli?
No clue. I saw that picture of frost drangon lair at Tip.It
and thought that the pic will fit well into this thread.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:23 pm

Sini - Who's PVM Jeffli?
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:32 pm

What the Vice President (!) of Jagex wrote is in my eyes only
a repeat of what Jagex mods have posted in the past. He
doesn't give concrete information of what Jagex is eggsactly
planning in the future.

It seems like a simple information that Jagex appearantly wants
to get rid of bots etc. But the fact that you can buy back your
banned account for a 3 months membership ruined the reputation
of Jagex.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:03 pm

I'm not sure if anyone noticed but Jagex is actively fighting bots:

http://services.runescape.com/m=news/fighting-the-bots---an-update

Quote :
We at Jagex are keenly aware of the botting issues within RuneScape and
know how disruptive they can be to our game. Whether it’s using a macro
program to control an account or power levelling, it’s safe to say that it’s
something that we’re all united in fighting and from the support you give
us on the forums, in game and when we meet face to face, it’s crystal clear
that it’s something that you; the RuneScape community, also feel very
strongly about.

That’s why today we want to take a few moments to reaffirm our dedication
to the removal of bots and cheats from RuneScape.

We are constantly looking into ways of making the game experience the very
best possible for all of our players and as part of our on-going programme to
rid the game of bots, Jagex is actively pursuing companies that support the
macroing market as well as those who bot. As such we are currently pursuing
various bot developers through multiple legal channels, although sadly we
cannot yet disclose the full details of our actions for legal reasons. Separately,
as part of normal legal process and procedure, we have also taken steps to
acquire the details of all players who have purchased bots.

Once we have the information regarding the players involved we will take
action specifically to ensure that these players are not compromising the
game’s integrity through the use of a third party programs. We are committed
to undertaking various initiatives to identify players and companies who are
using and distributing bots within RuneScape and will endeavour to inform you
all of these efforts as we can.

In the meantime, be safe, don’t fall to the dark side and we look forward to
the positive outcomes of our actions ultimately making the game experience
a better one for everyone.

Sincerely,

Daniel Clough
Vice President of Runescape
I would translate the above as:

There has been too many complaints about bots on the RSOF. We must
do something. We don't want to do anything about the bots in-game so
maybe a statement written by a high level staff member will solve the
issue.
Should we post this to the RSOF too? Nah, someone there might ask
why we are just posting statements and nothing happens in-game.

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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:59 am

Jagex's solution to putting accounts who chargeback on credit cards is so they can make even more money.

They lock an account for charging back on CC/Paypal payment, or any other way possible.

They then put the account in "Debt" so they can't use it unless they pay them.

They also recently began unbanning accounts for money.

They charge 3 months worth in member ship to unban an account.
Like I said on another post- corruption spews from jagex more than anything.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:41 pm

If items rise that are used often by people who are too lazy
to get them themself (take pure essence) it would give a chance
to lower levels, poor or even extremely bored people to make
some money. Even I would mine pure essence if I get enough
money for it.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:54 am

its true if bots went away things would rise..but without bots money would be alot easier to make
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:40 am

Rietz wrote:
As far as I'm concerned bots are needed for a stable economy within Runescape, and without them the game would be so much more difficult. Just because of this factor i am happy with bots running around the game.
Yes, and then you want to make some money at the frost dragons...

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