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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:26 pm

I wonder if they will actually do what they say they will.


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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:34 pm

Oh. They're admitting they're not 'winning the war'? Quelle surprise Razz

But let's at least give them credit for what they're doing right - remember that screenshot of a mod at the GE, having muted the rwt spammers? We commented on how a mod banning spammers individually ingame was the least efficient way of doing things, but I guess that wasn't what he was doing there at all. I took a walk at the GE and Lumbridge on a few f2p servers last week, and didn't see any of the usual spam.

Let's hope they can follow that one up with a way to mute the bots that do the same using pm instead of public chat.

It's massively frustrating to see this huge botting problem and hear nothing from Jagex but 'we're handling the bot problem.' So frankly, it's encouraging simply to hear them admit that they aren't exactly on top of it.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:14 pm

+1 - nothing will happen. - I'll bet 1B on it.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:12 pm

Baconeta wrote:
I call bs on that front page post..
Alrighty, we will see. O_o
Let's see if they will do that 'SOMETHING' I wanted.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:52 am

I call bs on that front page post..
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:09 am

Yay :3
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:11 am

Front page post:

Dear RuneScape Community,

I would like to take a moment of your time to address the highly
emotive issue that we face as a community – bots.

At the beginning of the year, when we brought Free Trade and the
Wilderness back, we promised that we would couple that with
programmes that would combat the inevitable botting that would
result from that decision. Over the last few months we have initiated
a number of programmes to do this, some of which we have already
mentioned to you, some of which we haven’t because of legal
reasons and some because we do not want to warn gold farmers
and bot makers about our counter measures.

The challenge for us is that despite all of our programmes and best
intentions the problem is still huge and, most annoyingly, still
adversely impacting parts of our game.

We are continuing to battle bots on all fronts. In an effort to be
more open and transparent we wish to share a couple of measures
and initiatives we are about to release/have released recently:

• We have recently improved our internal systems to be able to
spot spam from the chat window and instantly mute the offender
preventing the constant flow of communication from the gold
farmers which are impacting the game experience. Your reports
are very helpful to us here!

• Continuing our ongoing legal cases against bot developers.

• Mandatory email validation for new accounts will add extra
account security and impair the mass account creation that
gold farmers use.

There are several other initiatives and actions that we plan to
implement over the next few months and we will share these
with you as often and in much detail as we can. The most
significant of these is to come soon. Also, we recognise that
we have not been the best at communicating what we are
doing and that changes today.

While we are winning small battles by spending significant
money and resources in trying to combat this problem, the
war is not going in our favour as we are struggling to keep
up with companies whose only business 24 hours a day 7 days
a week is to find ways to get bots into the game. As a result,
one thing has become really clear to us despite our ongoing
efforts.

We cannot win this battle alone. We need your help.

So how can you help? First, we would like to hear from you
in a more coordinated way regarding your thoughts about
how to fight the bots problem. We will be developing surveys
to help us understand more about bots directly from you... we
would love to hear your response.

We would like to set up a special forum where we can have
targeted Q&A’s and get formal feedback from you about
specific initiatives. We will let you know when this forum is
set up and invite you to join us.

We hope that you will engage with and encourage your friends
to use any tools that we provide to you that will help us identify
and ban the bots like the Spam Filter feature.

And finally, we would ask that you refrain from using bots or
supporting gold farmers. If there is not a market, then bots will
not exist. As was so eloquently put in a recent post on Tip.it
“Standing up to Jagex [by voicing one’s opinion on the botting issue],
one might argue, requires a certain amount of courage, but much
more is required to stand up to one’s friends”. The player went on
to say, “The community needs to stand up for itself by following
the rules and shunning those who do not. Lacking customers, the
websites that set up the bots will close, and the only botter will be
the isolated real player. Ultimately, following the three pillars of the
code of conduct that Jagex set up-“Honour,” “Respect,” and
“Security” are a responsibility of the players and the community
as much as they are of Jagex.”

We are committed to ridding our game of bots. We are committed
to providing a more open discussion with you about the real
challenges that we face as a result of our efforts. We are committed
to involving you more in this war so we can win this fight together.

Most importantly, we are committed to continuing our investment
in evolving and making RuneScape a great game to play and an
amazing community to be a part of.

Thanks,

Daniel Clough
Chief Operating Officer & Vice President of RuneScape


http://services.runescape.com/m=news/update-on-our-ongoing-battle-against-bots
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:39 am

Over a year ago a Finnish jmod told that they usually hold bot busting
events only for pmods because botters might stop botting if they knew
about the event (page 2 of this thread). I wonder what is the point
because it seems that you can get the dates from a botting website.

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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:53 pm

Firehawk825 wrote:
Look at how many bots are in this one video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsFExAw6ZjM&feature=channel_video_title

Those aren't "bots" - they are real world trading bots - but however wont affect the game because jagex could simply fix that by re-implementing limit's on trade, however this wont stop a mining bot.

those all go away if they remove dicing, and free trade.

Dicing has ruined the game the most - next came free trade, and last bot's and gold farmers. - All creations that have exploded in 2011.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:05 pm

Look at how many bots are in this one video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsFExAw6ZjM&feature=channel_video_title
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:11 pm

... Really?
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:25 am

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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:23 am

Firehawk825 wrote:
Lol Baconeta love your signature. Razz

If only you knew ^^
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:46 am

Lol Baconeta love your signature. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:59 am

MrHorizontal wrote:
Jiblix got his forum moderator status back, still unsure if he is a player moderator again or not.

This is good. He well deserves it
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:53 am

Jiblix got his forum moderator status back, still unsure if he is a player moderator again or not.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:32 pm

Sar wrote:
Having a jmod ban bots gives the community tangible evidence that they are doing something. At this point I think Jagex's main objective may be to get the approval of the community, however ineffective that one jmod actually is.

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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:51 am

I do agree with the above post.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:37 am

Having a jmod ban bots gives the community tangible evidence that they are doing something. At this point I think Jagex's main objective may be to get the approval of the community, however ineffective that one jmod actually is.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:28 am

siniwelho wrote:
I believe we can thank Jiblix from this:



There has been a Jmod clearing the autotalker bots from the GE.
Too bad that Jiblix ended up losing his pmod status for voicing
out the problems*, but it made Jagex eventually to do something.

The funny part here is that Jagex has always stated that a Jmod
in-game banning bots is the most inefficient way to handle the
bot problem. And now they are doing exactly that. Are they
running out of excuses?

* http://forum.tip.it/topic/300179-jiblix-demodding-and-golden-joystick-voting
Just like I said before banning isn't that helpful anymore. They need to just have the websites that sell the bots shut down.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:15 am

I believe we can thank Jiblix from this:



There has been a Jmod clearing the autotalker bots from the GE.
Too bad that Jiblix ended up losing his pmod status for voicing
out the problems*, but it made Jagex eventually to do something.

The funny part here is that Jagex has always stated that a Jmod
in-game banning bots is the most inefficient way to handle the
bot problem. And now they are doing exactly that. Are they
running out of excuses?

* http://forum.tip.it/topic/300179-jiblix-demodding-and-golden-joystick-voting
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:32 am

Firehawk825 wrote:
Fireheart wrote:
The two types of botting:

One: The person who doesn't want to spend hours getting 99 str
- Effect on the game: kid has fun - unfair but still, the goal? - To have fun

Two: the guy who makes a living off of it.
-Market crashes, we can no longer make money on RS any other way except staking, and Dicing = RWT = The downfall of the game, and there will be even more of Botting type one, because it's now impossible to do anything on RS since everywhere you go, there's a botter.

If you ask me, we can eliminate two immediately by removing free trade. and all that's left is some person who wants an unfair advantage.
Is it wrong? - Yes, but so is cheating on a test. Chances of botters is a lot less, because the game becomes fun again simply to play.

If Jagex removes free trade again, there will definitely be a much more positive response from the community compared to last time. - although the hate will happen, there would definitely be much more agreement towards it.
Banning bots isn't good enough anymore because the botters will make new accounts and bot on that character with their already poaid for bots. To solve botting Jagex should just have the programs who sell the bots go out of business by law or something like that.

They've been in a lawsuit w/ them for 1-2 years now?...

Also, that's a problem mainly for gold farmers, for people who play the game to play it botting is then discouraged.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:20 am

Fireheart wrote:
The two types of botting:

One: The person who doesn't want to spend hours getting 99 str
- Effect on the game: kid has fun - unfair but still, the goal? - To have fun

Two: the guy who makes a living off of it.
-Market crashes, we can no longer make money on RS any other way except staking, and Dicing = RWT = The downfall of the game, and there will be even more of Botting type one, because it's now impossible to do anything on RS since everywhere you go, there's a botter.

If you ask me, we can eliminate two immediately by removing free trade. and all that's left is some person who wants an unfair advantage.
Is it wrong? - Yes, but so is cheating on a test. Chances of botters is a lot less, because the game becomes fun again simply to play.

If Jagex removes free trade again, there will definitely be a much more positive response from the community compared to last time. - although the hate will happen, there would definitely be much more agreement towards it.
Banning bots isn't good enough anymore because the botters will make new accounts and bot on that character with their already poaid for bots. To solve botting Jagex should just have the programs who sell the bots go out of business by law or something like that.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:46 am

The two types of botting:

One: The person who doesn't want to spend hours getting 99 str
- Effect on the game: kid has fun - unfair but still, the goal? - To have fun

Two: the guy who makes a living off of it.
-Market crashes, we can no longer make money on RS any other way except staking, and Dicing = RWT = The downfall of the game, and there will be even more of Botting type one, because it's now impossible to do anything on RS since everywhere you go, there's a botter.

If you ask me, we can eliminate two immediately by removing free trade. and all that's left is some person who wants an unfair advantage.
Is it wrong? - Yes, but so is cheating on a test. Chances of botters is a lot less, because the game becomes fun again simply to play.

If Jagex removes free trade again, there will definitely be a much more positive response from the community compared to last time. - although the hate will happen, there would definitely be much more agreement towards it.
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PostSubject: Re: About botting   Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:37 am

siniwelho wrote:


I think that the above session is about the last chance for Jagex to
announce a working anti-bot plan. If they only sing the same old
song "...we take bots very seriously and work hard..." then it will
be obvious that nothing will happen.



Let's hope they will FINALLY do SOMETHING..
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